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0:01HE GETS BACK IN THE OVAL
0:04OFFICE.
0:04>> YOU SAID, IN 2016, LOCK HER
0:09UP.
0:09WHEN HE BECAME PRESIDENT YOU
0:10SAID WE DON’T DO THAT IN
0:12AMERICA.
0:12THAT’S JUST NOT THE RIGHT THING
0:13TO DO.
0:13THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
0:15DO YOU REGRET NOT LOCKING HER
0:17UP?
0:17IF YOU ARE PRESENT AGAIN, WILL
0:19YOU LOCK PEOPLE UP?
0:21>> I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE,
0:24THE ANSWER, IS YOU HAVE NO
0:25CHOICE, BECAUSE THEY’RE DOING
0:26IT TO US.
0:28>> JOINING ME NOW, PROFESSOR OF
0:32HISTORY AT NEW YORK UNIVERSITY
0:33AND AUTHOR OF STRONGMEN,
0:36MUSSOLINI TO THE PRESIDENT.
0:37HERE IN STUDIO, L.A. TIMES
0:41CONTRIBUTOR, DEMOCRATIC
0:42STRATEGIST AND SPOKESPERSON FOR
0:45THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE.
0:46AND VERMONT CONGRESSWOMAN,
0:48BECCA BALINT, HOUSE JUDICIARY
0:52COMMITTEE AND HOUSE BUDGET
0:54COMMITTEE.
0:54WELCOME TO THE SUNDAY SHOW.
0:56CONGRESSWOMAN, I WOULD LOVE
0:57YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE
0:59JUDICIARY’S THOUGHTS —
1:01ESPECIALLY GOVERNOR KEMP,
1:03GEORGIA’S OWN GOVERNOR, REFUSED
1:04TO HOLD A SPECIAL SESSION THAT
1:06WOULD HAVE IMPEACHED THE FULTON
1:07COUNTY D.A..
1:08>> YES, THIS SHOULD SURPRISE
1:11NOBODY.
1:11THIS IS WHAT THE PLAYBOOK IS
1:13FOR BOTH THE OVERSIGHT
1:14COMMITTEE AND THE JUDICIARY
1:15COMMITTEE.
1:15MAKING ACCUSATIONS, MAKING
1:18INNUENDOS, AND THEY NEVER HAVE
1:20THE RECEIPTS, EVER.
1:21THIS IS ABOUT SHOWMANSHIP, THIS
1:23IS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THERE
1:26IS A COMMITTEE DISTRACTION TO
1:29GET RID OF THE PRESIDENT.
1:29THIS IS WHAT THIS IS ALWAYS
1:33ABOUT.
1:33>> >> HURT, SINCE YOU’RE
1:37SITTING RIGHT, HERE I WILL GIVE
1:38THE NEXT QUESTION TO YOU.
1:39THIS TRUMP SUPPORTER MADE THIS
1:40CHILLING COMMENT ABOUT WHAT
1:42COULD HAPPEN IF D.A. WILLIS IS
1:44NOT STOP FROM PROSECUTING
1:45DONALD TRUMP.
1:45LISTEN TO THIS.
1:46>> WE NEED TO BE TAKEN ACTION
1:50RIGHT NOW.
1:50IF WE DON’T, OUR CONSTITUENCIES
1:52ARE GOING TO BE FIGHTING IT IN
1:54THE STREETS.
1:54DO YOU WANT A CIVIL WAR?
1:56I DON’T WANT A CIVIL WAR.
1:58I DON’T WANT TO HAVE TO DROP MY
2:00RIFLE.
2:00>> SO, KURT, SENATOR LINDSEY
2:05GRAHAM HAS MADE SIMILAR
2:06COMMENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.
2:07THIS IS NOT NEW.
2:08EXPLAIN WHY AND HOW THIS KIND
2:11OF RHETORIC REMAINS SO
2:13DANGEROUS?
2:13>> IT STARTS WITH WHAT WE SAW
2:15WITH JANUARY SIX AND THE RUN UP
2:17TO JANUARY 6TH.
2:18WHAT WE ARE SEEING NOW, BECAUSE
2:20OF WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT DAY,
2:21IT IS NOT JUST WORDS, IT IS NOT
2:23JUST EMPTY RHETORIC AND IT IS
2:25NOT JUST LEADER WHEN THESE
2:26PEOPLE USE THOSE WORDS THEY’RE
2:29AUDIENCE, THEY’RE FOLLOWING,
2:30THEY’RE CALLED, THEY SEE IT AS
2:31MARCHING ORDERS, AS
2:33INSTRUCTION.
2:33WHEN SOMEONE SAYS WELL, I’D
2:34HATE TO HAVE TO RAISE ARMS AND
2:36I’D HATE TO SEE IT —
2:38WHAT HE SAYING IS, I WANT A
2:39CIVIL WAR, I WANT YOU TO RAISE
2:40ARMS, IF WE DON’T GET OUR WAY,
2:42IF THE POLITICS DON’T GO OUR
2:44WAY THE ONLY RESPONSE IS
2:46VIOLENCE.
2:46AT IS TERRORISM.
2:47I DON’T CARE WHAT ANYBODY SAYS,
2:49THAT IS TERRORISM, WHEN YOU
2:51DON’T GET POLITICAL MEANS ANY
2:52RESORT TO VIOLENCE, THAT IS
2:54TERRORISM ENDORSED BY ELECTED
2:56REPUBLICAN OFFICIALS.
2:56WHY IS NOT EVERY SINGLE
2:59REPUBLICAN RIGHT NOW IN ANY
3:00ELECTED OFFICE CONDEMNING THAT
3:02STATEMENT.
3:02BECAUSE THEY, LIKE THE ENDORSE,
3:03THAT THEY WANT TO SEE THAT
3:04HAPPEN.
3:04>> LISTENING TO YOUR ANSWER,
3:06KURT, IT TAKES ME BACK TO THE
3:09CENSUS IS THAT WE HAVE SEEN FOR
3:12OATH KEEPERS AND PROUD BOYS WHO
3:14WE ARE CRYING AT THEIR
3:16SENTENCING BECAUSE THEY’RE,
3:17LIKE I WAS FOLLOWING ORDERS
3:18FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE
3:20UNITED STATES.
3:20RUTH, IN STATES LIKE FLORIDA
3:22AND TEXAS, CONSERVATIVES ARE
3:25REMOVING OR ATTEMPTING TO
3:26REMOVE ELECTED PROGRESSIVE
3:28PROSECUTORS FROM THEIR
3:29POSITIONS.
3:29THIS DOES NOT SURPRISE YOU,
3:32DOES IT?
3:32>> WE KNOW.
3:35THIS IS A PARTY NOT ONLY IN
3:38DAMAGE CONTROL MODE, BUT
3:40FULL-ON PANIC MODE AND
3:42DESTRUCTIVE NIHILISTIC MODE.
3:43ALL THE INDICTMENTS, THE
3:47SHOCKING MUGSHOT OF THEIR CULT
3:49LEADER, TRUMP, AND HIS
3:51COCONSPIRATORS.
3:51ALSO, WITH THE PROSECUTIONS OF
3:56PROUD BOYS OPERATIVES LIKE THIS,
3:58THE LENGTHY SENTENCES, THEY ARE
4:00NOT JUST A DETERRENT.
4:01BECAUSE THE GOP HAS SUCH CLOSE
4:04TIES WITH EXTREMIST GROUPS AND
4:07USES THE PROUD BOYS OF THE KIND
4:08OF DE FACTO PARAMILITARY, THESE
4:11THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING ARE
4:13WE A WHOLE EXTREMIST WORLDVIEW
4:16AND EXTREMIST PLAYBOOK.
4:17SO ALL THEY CAN DO IS STRIKE
4:20BACK BY THREATENING IMPEACHMENT
4:22AND I CALL THIS GARBAGE
4:24POLITICS.
4:24ALSO THREATENING TO REMOVE ANY
4:28POLITICIAN WHO STANDS UP FOR
4:29THE RULE OF LAW.
4:30WE >> RUTH, YOU MENTIONED THE
4:33MUGSHOTS THAT WE ALL GOT TO SEE
4:35LAST WEEK.
4:36YOU WROTE A PIECE ABOUT THE
4:39MUGSHOT OF FORMER WHITE HOUSE
4:41CHIEF OF STAFF, MARK MEADOWS.
4:42REAL QUICKLY, TALK ABOUT WHY
4:43HIS MUGSHOT IN PARTICULAR
4:45STRUCK YOU WITH SO?
4:47>> THIS HAUNTED ME BECAUSE IN
4:53MY BOOK, STRONGMAN, IT’S FULL
4:54OF THESE PEOPLE.
4:55TRUMP SPECIALIZES IN
4:59CULTIVATING PEOPLE, MAKING THEM
5:01FOIL, MAKING THEM COMPLICIT.
5:02BUT, ALSO LEADING THEM TO DO
5:04THINGS THEY NEVER IMAGINE THEY
5:05WOULD DO.
5:07LIKE HAVE AN ASSAULT ON THE
5:08U.S. CAPITOL.
5:10THEN TELLING THEM THAT AS LONG
5:11AS THEY STAY LOYAL THEY WILL BE
5:14SAFE.
5:14THEY WILL BE BEYOND
5:16PROSECUTION.
5:16THE SHOCK AS WELL AS THE ANGER
5:18IN THE MUD SHOT IS SOMEONE WHO
5:20IS REALIZING THAT HE IS NOT
5:22INDEED SAFE AND NEITHER IS HIS
5:24LEADER.
5:24>> YEAH, AND IF YOU HAVE NOT
5:27READ IT, YET THERE IS AN OP-ED
5:29IN THE NEW YORK TIMES TODAY BY
5:32CHRIS WHIPPLE ABOUT HOW MARK
5:34MEADOWS IS A DANGER FOR THE
5:38COUNTRY WITH IF PRESIDENT TRUMP
5:41GETS BACK INTO OFFICE.
5:42CONGRESSWOMAN, WE WILL TALK
5:43MORE ABOUT THIS IN THE NEXT
5:45BLOCK, BUT SPEAKER MCCARTHY IS
5:47TELLING REPUBLICANS, HIS
5:50REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES, THAT
5:51SHUTTING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT
5:52WOULD MAKE IT HARDER TO START
5:53THE IMPEACHMENT PROCESS FOR
5:56PRESIDENT BIDEN WILL.
5:57WHAT IS HE UP TO HERE?
5:59>> YEAH, HE IS TRYING TO USE
6:02THIS AS LEVERAGE BECAUSE HE
6:04KNOWS THE EXTREMISTS IN THE
6:06CONFERENCE ARE IN CHARGE.
6:07MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE AND
6:08OTHERS LIKE HER ARE THE ONES
6:10DRIVING THE TRAIN.
6:11SO WHAT I WANT US TO FOCUS ON,
6:13TOO, IS NOT JUST PEOPLE LIKE
6:15MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE, BUT ALL
6:16OF THE SO-CALLED, AND I USED
6:19SO-CALLED, SO-CALLED MODERATES
6:21WHO STAND BY AND LET THIS ALL
6:23HAPPEN.
6:23BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WE
6:25NEED TO HEAR FROM.
6:26THEY KNOW IT IS A FARCE, THEY
6:28HAVE SAID SO IN THE LAST FEW
6:30DAYS ABOUT THIS IMPEACHMENT
6:33HOSTAGE TAKING THAT MARJORIE
6:35TAYLOR GREENE IS DOING.
6:36THEY KNOW IT IS A SHAM, IT WILL
6:37GO ALONG WITH IT IN THE END.
6:39THAT IS THE DANGEROUS THING FOR
6:41ALL OF US.
6:42BECAUSE TRUMP IS NOT SINGULAR.
6:43ANOTHER ONE WILL COME IN HIS
6:45PLACE.
6:46IF THEY DON’T DEAL WITH IT NOW,
6:48THEY ARE GOING TO DEAL WITH IT
6:49FROM ANOTHER LEADER WHO COMES
6:50AFTER HIM.
6:51>> YEAH, AND COURAGE, ON THIS
6:53IMPEACHMENT, TALK THE POTENTIAL
6:56OF AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY AND
6:57THEN FULL ON IMPEACHMENT,
6:59PRESIDENT BIDEN’S WHITE HOUSE
7:02HAS ASSEMBLED A WAR ROOM OF TWO
7:04DOZEN LAWYERS AS AN AGGRESSIVE
7:07RESPONSE TO ALL THIS.
7:08IS THIS INAPPROPRIATE RESPONSE?
7:10WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT THE
7:12CURRENT STATE OF AMERICAN
7:13POLITICS THAT THIS IS EVEN
7:14NECESSARY?
7:14>> IT IS NECESSARY BECAUSE THIS
7:17IS GOING TO BE UNLIKE ANY
7:19IMPEACHMENT THAT WE’VE EVER
7:20SEEN BEFORE.
7:20BECAUSE THERE’S NO GROUNDS FOR
7:22IT, EVEN REPUBLICANS IN
7:24CONGRESS ADMIT THERE’S NO
7:25EVIDENCE RIGHT NOW LINKING
7:26PRESIDENT BIDEN TO ANYTHING
7:28ILLEGAL, ILLICIT, CONTROVERSIAL,
7:30ANYTHING AT ALL.
7:30THEY DON’T HAVE THE GOODS.
7:31THEY’RE GONNA DO IT AS A
7:32POLITICAL TOOL.
7:33SO THE WHITE HOUSE’S RIGHT TO
7:34ASSEMBLE A CAMPAIGN ASK WAR
7:37ROOM, A RAPID RESPONSE OF
7:38LAWYERS AND COMMUNICATIONS I
7:39PUSH BACK ON ALL OF THE
7:40NONSENSE WE’RE GOING TO SEE.
7:42REPUBLICANS ARE JUST GOING TO.
7:43LIE THEY’RE GOING TO GASLIGHT,
7:44THEY’RE GOING TO MAKE STUFF UP
7:45AND HOPE THAT THEY GET SOME
7:47TRACTION TO DISTRACT AWAY FROM
7:48THE FACT THEY HAVE NO AGENDA,
7:49NO MISSION FOR THE AMERICAN
7:51PEOPLE, AND CAN’T NEGOTIATE
7:52WITH THEIR OWN MAJORITY TO PASS
7:53A BUDGET.
7:54–
7:57RUNNING COVER FOR DONALD J
7:59TRUMP.
7:59THE WHITE HOUSE IS ON TOP OF,
8:01IT IS REACHING TO SEE THAT THEY
8:02ARE TAKING THE THREAT
8:03SERIOUSLY.
8:03YOU CANNOT GIVE THESE PEOPLE AN
8:05INCH.
8:05ANY GROUND AT ALL, YOU HAVE TO
8:08FORCEFULLY PUSHBACK EVERY
8:10SINGLE TIME THAT THEY USE THIS
8:11STUFF BECAUSE, AGAIN THIS IS
8:12IMPEACHMENT.
8:12THIS IS HISTORIC.
8:14IT IS IMPORTANT, AND IT’S
8:16MEANINGFUL.
8:16THE FACT THAT REPUBLICANS ARE
8:18WIELDING AT THIS WAY FOR JUST
8:19PURELY POLITICAL REVENGE
8:21PURPOSE IS TO PROTECT A
8:22CRIMINAL, DONALD TRUMP.
8:23IT SAYS THE WHITE HOUSE IS
8:25ABSOLUTELY RIGHT IN PREPARING
8:26FOR BATTLE.
8:27>> RUTH, REALLY QUICK, WHEN WE
8:31PLAYED AT THE TOP OF THE
8:33SEGMENT, TRUMP’S INTERVIEW WITH
8:36GLENN BECK WHERE HE SAID HE IS
8:37GOING TO ARREST HIS OPPONENTS
8:39IF HE GETS BACK INTO THE WHITE
8:40HOUSE, WHY SHOULD AMERICANS
8:42TAKE THAT KIND OF TALK
8:45SERIOUSLY?
8:45>> BECAUSE TRUMP MEANS IT.
8:48WE HAVE TO TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY
8:50EVERYTHING HE SAYS.
8:51WE HAVE TAKEN SERIOUSLY JANUARY
8:552016 COMMENT THAT HE COULD
8:56SHOOT SOMEONE —
8:58OH >> MY PANEL IS GOING TO STAY
9:03WITH ME.
9:03WE WILL CONTINUE THE
9:05CONVERSATION AFTER THE BREAK.
9:08YOU HAVE TO KNOW, THIS I
9:09MISSPOKE, THE GOVERNMENT
9:10SHUTDOWN COULD HAPPEN O
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